Opinions on abortion...

[Darkhorse]

[jimmyz]

[eric]

You're just assuming that all men would "pay $250" and walk away. And if that were the case, than a woman could just have an abortion or raise the child on her own. It's giving women responsibility and treating them like being that are capable of making choices.

You're just saying that they are irresponsible and unable to make choices, and at the same time disparaging men as abandoners.

If I got a woman pregnant, and she didn't want an abortion I would want to be in the child's life, pending a paternity test. Not everybody is a f**k deadbeat.

[Professor]

[eric]

[jimmyz]

[eynon81]

[Darkhorse]

[eric]

Well, they're raising children with financial support from the fathers. Often times without affording men the opportunity to be in the child's life, or without the father wanting to have the child. You are absolutely asserting that women aren't responsible by implying that a man has to be involved in a child's life. You're saying a woman can't do it on her own. And you're also saying that she can't say "ok, the guy that I had sex with doesn't want this child, maybe I should not have it because I can't afford it". Its her body. If she wants to have a child, she should be able to do that. But if a man doesn't want the child, it should be his choice to not be involved. She can then make the choice. It's giving women responsiblity and freedom of choice, and treating them like adults. Mutual consent for sex. Mutual consent for taking care of a child in the year 2014 when people can choose to or not to have a child. If this was like the Dark Ages, than yeah you'd have an argument.

And what I'm proposing is not forcing people into doing things they don't want to do. Yes it unties men who already don't want children from being shitty fathers. So what? It doesn't matter for the people who do want to be fathers.

I'm not being patronizing or "teaching women responsibility". I'm assuming they are adults and can take care of themselves and make decisions. Yeah there would be more abortions. So what? Seems to solve the problem.

[John Galt]