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Re: We're so f*cked

Postby The Comrade » Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:39 pm

that makes her smart.

in all seriousness though a private account is just as much of an attempt to dodge oversight only it's half-assed. powell got in trouble for the same thing. tbh the private server is more plausible using the convenience excuse than having just a private email account.
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Re: We're so f*cked

Postby Kane » Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:30 am

John Galt wrote:
Kane wrote:
WaPo wrote:
Kushner used private email account for some White House business



=)) =)) **==


While this is funny, Clinton set up her own server to evade using the government one. Kushner didn't


So he's basically dumber. :-bd
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Re: We're so f*cked

Postby John Galt » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:31 am

Carlos Danger got 21 months in prison today

did clinton in "What Happened" mention this incident? i know she blames comey but in the end it was carlos danger and huma's failure to dust some dirt that caused the fbi to get involved again at all

i just think it's hilarious that weiner's dick pics helped get trump into office
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Re: We're so f*cked

Postby spacemonkey » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:26 am

John Galt wrote:Carlos Danger got 21 months in prison today

did clinton in "What Happened" mention this incident? i know she blames comey but in the end it was carlos danger and huma's failure to dust some dirt that caused the fbi to get involved again at all

i just think it's hilarious that weiner's dick pics helped get trump into office

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Re: We're so f*cked

Postby Kane » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:42 pm

I don't know much about the Jones Act, Puerto Rico, or if the issue really is one of port of entry and not the amount of vessels allowed in but...on it's face and with McCain's criticism this seems really f**k up:

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US won't waive shipping restrictions for Puerto Rico relief

The Trump administration on Tuesday denied a request from several members of Congress to waive shipping restrictions to help get gasoline and other supplies to Puerto Rico as the island recovers from Hurricane Maria.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) declined the request to waive the Jones Act, which limits shipping between coasts to U.S.-flagged vessels, according to Reuters. DHS waived the act following hurricanes Harvey and Irma, which hit the mainland U.S.

The agency has in the past waived the rule to allow cheaper and more readily-available foreign vessels to supply goods to devastated areas. But DHS said Tuesday that waiving the act for Puerto Rico would not help the U.S. island territory due to damaged ports preventing ships from docking.



“The limitation is going to be port capacity to offload and transit, not vessel availability,” a spokesperson for Customs and Border Protection told Reuters.

In a letter to the department on Tuesday, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) urged DHS to rethink the decision, citing the agency's willingness to waive the Jones Act for relief efforts in the wake of hurricanes Harvey and Irma.

“The Department of Homeland Security has been given the ability to waive the Jones Act to accommodate national security concerns, and has done so twice in the last month,” McCain wrote.

“These emergency waivers have been valuable to speed up recovery efforts in the impacted regions. However, I am very concerned by the Department’s decision not to waive the Jones Act for current relief efforts in Puerto Rico, which is facing a worsening humanitarian crisis following Hurricane Maria."

McCain called the department's decision "unacceptable" and warned that Puerto Rico faces a humanitarian crisis as the island's 3.4 million people struggle to survive without power or clean water.

Officials estimate the island could be without power for up to six months.

"It is unacceptable to force the people of Puerto Rico to pay at least twice as much for food, clean drinking water, supplies and infrastructure due to Jones Act requirements as they work to recover from this disaster," McCain wrote.

"Now, more than ever, it is time to realize the devastating effect of this policy and implement a full repeal of this archaic and burdensome Act.”
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Re: We're so f*cked

Postby John Galt » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:03 pm

that's terrible

trump's got a chance but he's nearing abdication of duty on puerto rico if this continues

in regards to the Jones Act, McCain has tried in the past to nullify it as well. basically anyone not on the mainland (this means territories, Hawaii, and Alaska) get a really bad deal all the time. if you look at shipping routes they are kinda bizarre for the same reason. foreign-flagged ships can't stop in an american port and then stop in another american port, basically, so US-flagged ships can take supplies from mainland US to those territories. and those US-flagged ships must be built in the US, owned by US citizens, and crewed by US citizens. it's protectionist nonsense so it's just the kind of thing Trump loves
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Re: We're so f*cked

Postby Kane » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:15 pm

John Galt wrote:that's terrible

trump's got a chance but he's nearing abdication of duty on puerto rico if this continues

in regards to the Jones Act, McCain has tried in the past to nullify it as well. basically anyone not on the mainland (this means territories, Hawaii, and Alaska) get a really bad deal all the time. if you look at shipping routes they are kinda bizarre for the same reason. foreign-flagged ships can't stop in an american port and then stop in another american port, basically, so US-flagged ships can take supplies from mainland US to those territories. and those US-flagged ships must be built in the US, owned by US citizens, and crewed by US citizens. it's protectionist nonsense so it's just the kind of thing Trump loves


So we know that Puerto Rico needs diesel and fuel to aid transporting and distributing supplies across the island and we know that somewhere that oil could be sitting in a tanker or a vessel (I don't know, does Puerto Rico refine it's oil on the island?) that simply isn't US...and we're not letting it through?
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Re: We're so f*cked

Postby Kane » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:16 pm

The first part of this episode has an exasperated reporter yelling for help:

http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2017/09/26/ ... uerto-rico
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Re: We're so f*cked

Postby Winchester » Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:28 am

“Frankly, we’re doing — and it’s the most difficult job because it’s on the island — it’s on an island in the middle of the ocean,” he said. “It’s out in the ocean. You can’t just drive your trucks there from other states.”
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Re: We're so f*cked

Postby John Galt » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:25 am

Kane wrote:
John Galt wrote:that's terrible

trump's got a chance but he's nearing abdication of duty on puerto rico if this continues

in regards to the Jones Act, McCain has tried in the past to nullify it as well. basically anyone not on the mainland (this means territories, Hawaii, and Alaska) get a really bad deal all the time. if you look at shipping routes they are kinda bizarre for the same reason. foreign-flagged ships can't stop in an american port and then stop in another american port, basically, so US-flagged ships can take supplies from mainland US to those territories. and those US-flagged ships must be built in the US, owned by US citizens, and crewed by US citizens. it's protectionist nonsense so it's just the kind of thing Trump loves


So we know that Puerto Rico needs diesel and fuel to aid transporting and distributing supplies across the island and we know that somewhere that oil could be sitting in a tanker or a vessel (I don't know, does Puerto Rico refine it's oil on the island?) that simply isn't US...and we're not letting it through?


WSJ was reporting that the supplies were in a port but they are having problems transporting them from there to the people. It's quite possible that this law makes no real impact now, but does usually. Oh also only one port is open, the others are too damaged for ships to enter.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/puerto-ric ... 1506446137

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