We're so f*cked

[Kane]

And to take things further - if Trump continues to engage in attacks on everybody and specifically women - he risks losing white women voters. He has less wiggle room there than with White males. And in antagonizing them he's encouraging them to vote against him.

[John Galt]

i'm not sure if it was "trump" in general. i think it was specifically the massive blunder that was Jeff Sessions as AG (loss of Alabama senator who was ardent supporter of trump, loss of a AG that could shield president with recusal, and loss of the seat entirely)

Roy Moore is who lost this election. this was the work of Steve Bannon in beating Strange. Roy Moore lost because enough people decided that someone who actually molested children is worse than someone who would support the theoretical killing of babies which is already legal anyway (you must come from their prospective of deciding between 1. a child molester and 2. a supporter of child murder. i know you don't see it that way but that's why you (spider, i'm talking to spider actually) have trouble coming to grips with why someone might have an opinion different than yours. you should try to argue the other side sometimes. it's a fun exercise and enlightening). anyway, enough said they would rather see someone who wasn't a literal child molester in the senate, for all their misgivings about the other guy. it wasn't trump. alabama is trumpland

[Kane]

[John Galt]

[Kane]

[John Galt]

offset was far more of a national issue tied to a referendum on trump, i'll give you that. moore was his own beast. and in VA trump and gillepsie got the exact same percentage of the vote FYI

[Kane]

[Kane]

Let me put it this way:

Trump/Bannon supported Moore - either that motivated more people to vote for him (but still not enough) or it somehow negatively impacted it. I'm going with it helped Moore. It didn't help him enough. In Alabama. Where a child molester was a toss up election.

It says something. Something that could be positive.

[John Galt]

i said percent was same. of course turnout was down. it wasn't a presidential election with trumps coattails to carry him through. turnout was unusually high in 2016 at 72% for the presidential election. when turnout was super high because of obama... it was only 65% in VA in 2008. bush-kerry in 2004 was 57%

now the election of governor was at 47% this last election, which is actually higher turnout than the previous governor election (43%) which had similar results

i really don't get it, man. equally spaced dots on a grid can be connected into any shape you want, but you're the one connecting them and they aren't naturally related

[Spider]