We're so f*cked

[Kane]

[Spider]

[Kane]

[spacemonkey]

Spying has been going on for years, by practically everyone on everyone. So why now is it a big issue??? The Dem's lost because it was common knowledge their candidate was an inept criminal liar. To think Russia or anyone else altered the election is just pure BS. But continue whining if it makes you feel better.

[exploited]

They come under scrutiny because somebody had the nuts to break the law, thus endangering their life and being forced to flee to places like Russia. If a guy like Snowden is caught, he will either be imprisoned for life, or executed for treason. The people he exposed will face no repercussions.

Everyone knows that the oversight is basically non-existent. Further, everyone knows that the surveillance state will just become stronger and more intrusive, which is why people are now doing stuff like taping over their laptop webcam. There is precisely zero chance of rolling these capabilities back. We will have to adjust to this reality.

[spacemonkey]

For all practical purposes, secrecy is dead.

[John Galt]

assange and snowden have such fundamental different takes on all of this.

snowden published what he did (and through news organizations) because he values privacy. his intent was to fix what is broken.

assange publishes what he does because he disdains the entire concept of privacy. assange is contemptible while snowden is a patriot, and perversely trump has gotten his acolytes to recite the opposite saying things like "secrecy is dead"

[Kane]

[exploited]

Look, nobody here likes Trump, but can you please stop shilling for the establishment? The American intelligence community has been out of control since 9/11, and has done immeasurable damage to your international relations. Far more than even Trump has (yet - he'll surpass that milestone soon). These people are notorious liars who believe (correctly) that they are above the law and cannot be controlled by Congress.

[Saz]

lmao spider get wrecked. you are f**k clueless sitting here after all of the snwden shit acting like the government can't tap you shit whenever they want. jesus christ even the canadian and kane agree with me. take a seat on the short bus bro