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Re: Healthcare Predictions

Postby spacemonkey » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:34 am

Kane wrote:
spacemonkey wrote:We could just eventually get back to the point where the dead beats just died. WTF did people do before the massive welfare safety net? A plan for temporary help has turned into a lifestyle. That's why they say don't feed the wild animals because they will become dependent. Seems to hold true for humans too.


Hahahaha, see how far calling the poor deadbeats gets your party in the future. And while you're at it, call the AARP and tell them their entire constituency can now be charged five times what the young are.

That'll go over well.

One more time, I don't belong to any party. Also one more time, every working man and woman already pays into a HC system they CAN'T ACCESS, BUT NEED NOW. Notice how I used big letters to make the clue more obvious.
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Re: Healthcare Predictions

Postby cool_chick » Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:24 pm

spacemonkey wrote:We could just eventually get back to the point where the dead beats just died. WTF did people do before the massive welfare safety net?


Ordinary folks stole from people like you to feed themselves and their kids. That's what hungry people who aren't inherently criminal do when hungry. Or spread their diseases to people like you. It protects you.
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Re: Healthcare Predictions

Postby Kane » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:35 am

spacemonkey wrote:
Kane wrote:
spacemonkey wrote:We could just eventually get back to the point where the dead beats just died. WTF did people do before the massive welfare safety net? A plan for temporary help has turned into a lifestyle. That's why they say don't feed the wild animals because they will become dependent. Seems to hold true for humans too.


Hahahaha, see how far calling the poor deadbeats gets your party in the future. And while you're at it, call the AARP and tell them their entire constituency can now be charged five times what the young are.

That'll go over well.

One more time, I don't belong to any party. Also one more time, every working man and woman already pays into a HC system they CAN'T ACCESS, BUT NEED NOW. Notice how I used big letters to make the clue more obvious.


What country do you live in?
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Re: Healthcare Predictions

Postby Saz » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:34 am

cool_chick wrote:
spacemonkey wrote:We could just eventually get back to the point where the dead beats just died. WTF did people do before the massive welfare safety net?


Ordinary folks stole from people like you to feed themselves and their kids. That's what hungry people who aren't inherently criminal do when hungry. Or spread their diseases to people like you. It protects you.


I agree with the point generally, but there does come a point where you can't be taken for hostage like that. Give me what I want or I'll f**k you shit up! It may make sense to appease them in the short term, but in the long run that's unacceptable and will have to be reigned back in. You shouldn't get welfare if you can't bring your kids to school for a free f**k education, for example.
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Re: Healthcare Predictions

Postby spacemonkey » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:59 am

cool_chick wrote:
spacemonkey wrote:We could just eventually get back to the point where the dead beats just died. WTF did people do before the massive welfare safety net?


Ordinary folks stole from people like you to feed themselves and their kids. That's what hungry people who aren't inherently criminal do when hungry. Or spread their diseases to people like you. It protects you.

They used to hang people for stealing a horse. So things wern't always nicy nice. My suggestion is don't have ten kids if you can't feed ten kids.
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Re: Healthcare Predictions

Postby Kane » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:24 pm

Well, this seems to be returning:

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AARP: Older Americans to pay $16K more under GOP ObamaCare repeal

A new study from the AARP finds that older people could pay as much as $16,174 more per year for health coverage under the Republican bill to repeal ObamaCare sponsored by Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Bill Cassidy (R-La.).

The bill “threatens to make health care unaffordable and inaccessible for millions of older Americans,” AARP, which opposes the measure, writes in the report.

The study finds that on average nationwide, a 60-year-old making $25,000 per year would have to pay as much as $16,174 more per year for health insurance. That is a result of the possible elimination of two kinds of ObamaCare subsidies, which help people afford their premiums and out of pocket costs.

The bill gives states wide leeway on how they spend a new block grant under the bill, so it is possible that some states could keep some of this subsidy funding, which would lessen the increase in costs.

The study singles out certain states as having even higher potential cost increases than the national average. In particular AARP points to Alaska, home to Sen. Lisa Murkowski, a key vote, and Arizona, home to Sen. John McCain, another crucial vote.

A 60-year-old making $25,000 per year in Alaska would have to pay as much as $31,790 more per year, and in Arizona, the person would have to pay $22,074 more, according to the AARP study.

“This increase is simply unaffordable,” the study says.


Not sure what the goal is here? Just get it repealed before the midterms and hope it doesn't start to affect premiums until after? Then pass amendment after amendment? It doesn't really seem to be aimed at helping people...
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Re: Healthcare Predictions

Postby Kane » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:41 pm

lol and again the insurers are against it as well.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/20/us/p ... epeal.html
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Re: Healthcare Predictions

Postby ToddStarnes » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:02 pm

Lolol they might actually pass it. Ouch. Some poor dems will be wondering why they didn't show up to vote when they're kicked off their plan for a pre-existing condition. :))
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Re: Healthcare Predictions

Postby Kane » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:20 pm

I don't see how this doesn't have an immediate impact on premiums. It'll be up to the states to decide but the market across the country is about to change drastically...
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Re: Healthcare Predictions

Postby phosphide » Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:21 pm

Kane wrote:lol and again the insurers are against it as well.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/20/us/p ... epeal.html


1. Insurance companies like essential benefits because they can charge premiums for them and patients don't use them. So naturally they are against having that taken away from them.
2. This bill has little or nothing to do with commercial or managed health plans (aka insurance companies) considering most have backed out of Obamacare. So it's pointless for them to even come out against it and it's not worth accepting their opinions anyways considering they basically own our legislators.
3. From one of the groups: "The legislation could hurt patients by “further destabilizing the individual market” and could potentially allow “government-controlled single payer health care to grow." You should be happy with that.
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