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What can be done about sexual assault?

Postby exploited » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:59 am

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/18/media/h ... index.html

The New York Times story that unearthed the first of what would become more than 40 accusations of sexual harassment, and in some cases assault, against movie titan Harvey Weinstein started with an account from Judd. The actress told the story of an encounter that happened more than two decades ago, when she was in the midst of filming 1997's "Kiss the Girls."

Judd claimed to the Times that she went to the Peninsula Beverly Hills hotel for a business breakfast meeting with Weinstein but once there, a bathrobe-clad Weinstein asked if he could give her a massage or she could watch him shower. Her account to the Times was confirmed to CNN by her publicist.

Judd went on say: "Women have been talking about Harvey amongst ourselves for a long time, and it's simply beyond time to have the conversation publicly."

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This topic isn't really about Weinstein, but I needed a source, so...

What can realistically be done to address sexual assault and harassment in our society? This is a discussion I've had alot lately, especially with the rise of social media trends like #metoo. Basically everyone is convinced that something needs to be done, but I've yet to hear any concrete suggestions that will make a difference.

Off-limits, in my mind, are changes to due process, the presumption of innocence and the standard of reasonable doubt. Unfortunately, the nature of these crimes make them extremely difficult to prosecute, outside the most egregious examples where there is substantial physical evidence of sexual trauma. I'm also opposed to private institutions ruining peoples lives without any sort of due process, such as college campuses expelling men based merely on the presence of allegations.

There is also substantial evidence that sexual assault and rape are down significantly. According to the DOJ, the rate for women was 5 per 1000 in 1995, and is now 1.8 per 1000.

All that said, how rape victims are treated by police, and the resources we dedicate to these crimes, is a problem. I think about all we can do is provide better training, while encouraging social and cultural campaigns to educate on what is and isn't sexual assault. We can make rape kits more available, and we can provide counselling and therapy to victims.

Has anyone else heard of any good solutions?
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Re: What can be done about sexual assault?

Postby John Galt » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:32 am

men should be forced to wear shock collars that females can activate when they start harassing women

frankly this has echos of The Satanic Panic

don't know about the Satanic Panic? in the 1980s it started with someone who, under hypnosis, claimed that she had cannibalized thousands of people in satanic rituals. like she was eating a person every other day apparently.

then all these other people came and said #metoo. it got to a point where people were legitimately thinking there were more ritualized satanic murders every year in the US than there were actual reported murders; at a police commencement address the speaker told them this (well, just the number of estimated satanic murders, which, if anyone bothered to check, was less than total known murders), and how it was imperative to stop. it was all melded with a panic about children being abducted (to be killed ritualistically in cults) that has caused today's generation to never go outside without adult supervision

the problem was there was no evidence of any of it, but people are only recently getting out of jail; they were convicted on recovered memories of children. it ruined innocent lives
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now the weinstien thing is probably true, but it's quickly evolving into something where people are just piling on, even men. most of this is just trying people in court of public opinion rather than actual court. you're right harrasment and abuse and rape are all down but it's being made into a bigger thing than what actually exists. and hollywood is all fantasy anyway so it's hard to extrapolate the goings on there to the rest of the country: actors and actresses are actual sex objects; that's part of why they are getting paid and they all know it.

i think the biggest problem with harassment is that HR exists to protect the company not to protect the employee. as it is against the law it shouldn't be reported to HR. stuff that goes to HR should be like, "me and mike can't work together we just are angry at each other and its not productive". and there's also the problem of independent contractors (like, actors); they aren't covered under any type of law because it's not an employer-employee relationship, even if it is one of extreme differences in power. and there is what the law should look at, the differences in power. most powerful man in the world pressures an intern into sex? that should be illegal. president of a company looking to get independent contractors jobs by pressuring sex or forcing them to watch himself masturbate or whatever as a display of dominance? that should be illegal. now this of course can lead to someone having a relationship with another superior of some sort over them and then suing them when the relationship goes sour afterward, claiming they were pressured into it. yeah, it would. that's part of the point, to invert the power dynamic and give people serious pause
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Re: What can be done about sexual assault?

Postby spacemonkey » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:46 pm

When the whole world turns gay, it will probably be required.
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Re: What can be done about sexual assault?

Postby The Comrade » Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:17 pm

you're such a piece of shit
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Re: What can be done about sexual assault?

Postby Gremlin » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:29 pm

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Re: What can be done about sexual assault?

Postby NAB » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:37 pm

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Re: What can be done about sexual assault?

Postby Southern Dad » Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:47 pm

One thing that weakens the case is when it goes unreported for years or even decades. Many people that he sexually harassed would not have been sexually harassed if he had been reported earlier. Bill Cosby's accusers found out the hard way that for nearly all of them, they waited to long and something called the Statute of Limitations protected Bill Cosby.
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Re: What can be done about sexual assault?

Postby John Galt » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:13 am

apparently sex assault includes touching a woman's waist in a photo op by a man literally wheelchair-bound. or maybe he just poked her with a finger to get attention. who knows, it's so vague. anyway, apparently HW Bush committed "sexual assault" because it can be whatever anyone wants sexual assault to be

http://www.newsweek.com/george-hw-bush- ... ion-692368
“But when I got the chance to meet George H. W. Bush four years ago to promote a historical television show I was working on, he sexually assaulted me while I was posing for a similar photo.

"He didn't shake my hand. He touched me from behind from his wheelchair with his wife Barbara Bush by his side. He told me a dirty joke.

“And then, all the while being photographed, touched me again. Barbara rolled her eyes as if to say 'not again'."


old man touches young actress and makes a lewd joke and this is apparently now "sexual assault"

if THIS vague thing is "sexual assault" then i don't care about it and hope everyone becomes victims of it. maybe you'd all loosen up a bit you f**k assholes
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Re: What can be done about sexual assault?

Postby Spider » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:00 am

Well. Who gets to define it? Because google up some definitions leaves it pretty wide open. Dept of Justice says: Sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient.

I mean...that's broad. Sexual contact could be almost anything. Is the waist sexual or the hip? Both? Neither? And behavior...again could be almost anything, even catcalling.
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Re: What can be done about sexual assault?

Postby spacemonkey » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:02 am

Just think, there are places in the world today that still treat their cattle better then women.
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