Did Hitler escape?

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Re: Did Hitler escape?

Postby The Dharma Bum » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:21 pm

Yep, but none of the really high officials escaped

Tens of thousands of Nazis, including high ranking officers escaped to right wing regimes in South America and the Middle Est, which welcomed their expertise;

Most people think there was a major effort to catch escaping Nazis but that's not exactly the truth of the matter. This book, for example, is a pretty good perspective on the subject. :
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/01/25/ne ... ld-war-ii/

Most of the evidence still points to that's exactly what happened..

They subjected the remains that were thought for years to be Hitler's to DNA analysis and the findings indicated a negative result. Other than that you have the claims of his henchman, who likely helped him in his escape.

So that's actually not true. The evidence that shows he died in his bunker after the fall of Berlin is actually eyewitness only, which is to be considered unreliable even if the eyewitnesses weren't collaborators.

If he was alive and it came out it would have been the scoop, and the story of the century
These sorts of things take years, maybe decades to come out. It took 45 or so years before DNA analysis was developed, for example. So this being recently declassified, accurate information is not impossible by any means. But yes it would be the story of the century if it turns out to be true.
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Re: Did Hitler escape?

Postby Mr.Bill » Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:45 am

IMO there isn't nearly enough evidence to refute the eye witnesses testimony from the bunker.

including high ranking officers escaped


Were not talking about officers, we're talking about the top officials of the Nazi regime.. No one from his inner circle escaped.. Which brings me to my main question about this:

What did or could ANYONE have to gain from hiding/protecting Hitler?

There is NO upside to hiding him, but then at the same time hanging and imprisoning the Nuremberg Trial defendants. The Allies are going to hang top Nazi's for Crimes against Humanity and War Crimes but then protect the top criminal?? That makes absolutely NO sense.. If it came out he was alive but being protected by anyone or any country there would be 10 Hell's to pay..

Until someone has a good sensible answer to that question there is no reason to believe he lived.

BTW IMO I wouldn't read too much into that DNA test on that skull fragment not being Hitler's.. Even before that DNA test a lot of people didn't believe that was Hitler's skull.. The Russians completely fvcked up the investigation after they captured the bunker. They were so afraid of what the paranoid lunatic Stalin would do the Red Army Officers and the investigators didn't know what they were suppose to do or say.. Was Hitler alive? Was he dead? They found his body? They didn't find it? They didn't know what to say or do because Stalin the loon changed his mind daily.. It was a complete keystone cops operation... And if the Russians really didn't have Hitler's body and had even a hint the West was protecting him to embarrass the West they would have screamed that daily, from the highest hills..

All that said there still isn't enough evidence OR REASONS to believe he escaped and was protected..
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Re: Did Hitler escape?

Postby The Dharma Bum » Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:31 pm

IMO there isn't nearly enough evidence to refute the eye witnesses testimony from the bunker


meh, eyewitness testimony from a recently declassified FBI report regarding the observations of two agents during a surveillance operation versus eyewitness accounts from his underlings. The former evidence is very credible, appearing in a classified FBI field report, the latter less so.

Further the story that was related contradicts the known physical evidence after being subjected to advanced techniques unknown when these stories were concocted.

The original Soviet story was that Hitler escaped and was being shielded by western powers:
In the years immediately following 1945, the Soviets maintained Hitler was not dead, but had fled and was being shielded by the former western allies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Adolf_Hitler

Truman asked Stalin if he was dead at the Potsdam Conference and Stalin said "no".

This worked for a time to create doubt among western authorities. The chief of the U.S. trial counsel at Nuremberg, Thomas J. Dodd, said: "No one can say he is dead." When President Harry S. Truman asked Stalin at the Potsdam Conference in August 1945 whether or not Hitler was dead, Stalin replied bluntly, "No".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Adolf_Hitler

This story later changed several times over the years.

So from an objective perspective, meaning going only by the available evidence and not how someone feels about it, it is a distinct possibility. The truth is we simply do not know what actually happened to him.
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Re: Did Hitler escape?

Postby Mr.Bill » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:51 pm

I mentioned much of what you posted..

NONE of it answers my questions though:

Why? What did anyone or any country have to gain from protecting Hitler? He offered NOTHING to either side in the CW, or any other country. Or organization. To kill or imprison every other high Nazi official yet to let Hitler escape makes no sense.. None..

Until someone somewhere can answer that question, this is all just talk and conjecture. Don't get me wrong it's fun, and interesting.. But IMO it's just talk, there's no reason to believe or evidence he got away.

The former evidence is very credible, appearing in a classified FBI field report,


Just an observation here.. But in all due respect seeing this coming from you, is kind of funny.. You have made it clear on this board you hate everything about this government, and every organization in it, especially the intelligence agencies.. yet here you are calling the FBI and 2 of it's agents 'credible'..
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Re: Did Hitler escape?

Postby The Dharma Bum » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:00 pm

There is better evidence that he got away than that he didn't, that is the point that escapes you.

The only real evidence that showed he died in his bunker was subjected to DNA analysis and was shown to actually belong to a 40 year old woman. So that was fabricated evidence. There's that and the reports of a few accomplices versus expert testimony in a classified US document.
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Re: Did Hitler escape?

Postby Mr.Bill » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:02 pm

Again you are giving credibility to a 'US document' and US experts and US Fed agents to further your opinion in this thread..

Kind of weird..

And again and I promise for the last time... You aren't even trying to answer my question:

Why? What did anyone have to gain..
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Re: Did Hitler escape?

Postby The Dharma Bum » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:37 pm

Why? What did anyone have to gain..


Lots of people still think that Hitler and his ideas are awesome, bill
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Re: Did Hitler escape?

Postby Mr.Bill » Fri Jun 20, 2014 3:44 am

You're being vague.

If you think there was a real possibility he escaped and was being protected you got to have a solid opinion on who and why.. Not just saying 'lots of people'...
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Re: Did Hitler escape?

Postby NAB » Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:24 pm

The Dharma Bum wrote:
Why? What did anyone have to gain..


Lots of people still think that Hitler and his ideas are awesome, bill


The same could be said for Elvis as well. Interestingly enough, he's still spotted on a regular basis, just like Hitler.
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Re: Did Hitler escape?

Postby exploited » Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:36 pm

Just checked into the various claims made by Dharma.

He was not observed by two FBI agents. Two FBI agents wrote a report that detailed claims made by others, but there was no actual observation on their part.

The evidence that he came aboard a submarine and lived in the Andean foothills was made by an unrevealed source, but he claimed to be working with six top Argentinian officials, so this source was most certainly not an FBI agent.

Dharma is so full of bullshit my nose stings. Unbelievable amounts of lies, distortion and outright fabrication on his part.
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