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The World Wars on the History Channel

Postby nordictruce » Tue May 27, 2014 4:49 pm

what do you think about it? I really enjoyed the first episode. Though I didn't learn too much lol, It's well done.
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Re: The World Wars on the History Channel

Postby Mr.Bill » Wed May 28, 2014 4:58 am

Yes it was well done.. But probably because both wars have been done to death, there wasn't anything on it I hadn't heard or read a million times before..

I don't think I'll watch the rest of it.
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Re: The World Wars on the History Channel

Postby Stratego » Wed May 28, 2014 6:29 am

Mr.Bill wrote:Yes it was well done.. But probably because both wars have been done to death, there wasn't anything on it I hadn't heard or read a million times before..

I don't think I'll watch the rest of it.

What if we started presenting it from Hitler's perspective?
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Re: The World Wars on the History Channel

Postby Professor » Wed May 28, 2014 7:25 am

Personally, I'd like to see something done on WW2 from the Russian perspective. Yes, Britain fought a hard battle in the Battle of Britain and fought the Nazis longer than any other Ally. Yes, America helped turn the tide with technology and some influx of troops. But, Russia probably had a far greater impact on the war than we ever give them credit for. You never hear much about the Eastern front except that the Russian winter stalled the Nazis, and then (somehow) the Russians pushed into Germany and took Berlin.

I won't go so far as to say that Russia had a greater impact than Britain/America. But, I also wouldn't be surprised.
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Re: The World Wars on the History Channel

Postby The Dharma Bum » Wed May 28, 2014 7:47 am

The allies weren't really getting anywhere until the Germans attacked Russia and they joined the Allied cause in 1941. They stopped the Wehrmacht less than 50 km outside of Moscow and then fought them every step of the way back to Berlin at the cost of 8.7 Russian servicemen. The German invasion of Russian also killed roughly 26.6 million Russian civilians.

The tank battles in the Eastern theater where the largest in history and the decisive Russian victory at Stalingrad in '42-3 was arguably the most important in military history. This battle was the beginning of the end for the Nazi war machine.
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Re: The World Wars on the History Channel

Postby Professor » Wed May 28, 2014 8:14 am

The Dharma Bum wrote:The allies weren't really getting anywhere until the Germans attacked Russia and they joined the Allied cause in 1941. They stopped the Wehrmacht less than 50 km outside of Moscow and then fought them every step of the way back to Berlin at the cost of 8.7 Russian servicemen. The German invasion of Russian also killed roughly 26.6 million Russian civilians.

The tank battles in the Eastern theater where the largest in history and the decisive Russian victory at Stalingrad in '42-3 was arguably the most important in military history. This battle was the beginning of the end for the Nazi war machine.


Yeah, you hear rumors of these battles. Some of the names of them. But, the "Battle of Stalingrad" has nowhere near the ring as "Battle of the Bulge" or half a dozen other Western Front battles.

I don't mean this to be "America bashing", as I'm proud of our part in the war. But, I wish it was a bit more balanced.
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Re: The World Wars on the History Channel

Postby eynon81 » Wed May 28, 2014 8:28 am

how come no-one ever points out the Russians killed 5,000,000 German soldiers? It's always "they (the Russians) lost 8.7 million soldiers."
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Re: The World Wars on the History Channel

Postby Mr.Bill » Wed May 28, 2014 9:19 am

Invading Russia was maybe Hitler's biggest mistake.

But IMO his most puzzling decision was when he declared war on the US.. All his other decisions and conquests an argument can be made that he could have defeated that enemy... If not for the English channel Britain could have been conquered.. If not for the vast distance and the Russian winter Moscow could have been conquered..

But there is no possible scenario we can come up with that could make a case showing Germany defeating the US .. Not in 1941.. Nor 1951.. Even with England defeated Germany could have never defeated the US.. It was an awful decision on Hitler's part. It meant for sure Germany would be fighting a 2-front war, something Hitler swore he'd never do.. Very strange.. Just what the US contributed in the air war against Germany alone caused them immense damage.

The allies weren't really getting anywhere until the Germans attacked Russia and they joined the Allied cause in 1941.


In June 1941 there was only England.

But, Russia probably had a far greater impact on the war than we ever give them credit for.


And the USSR barely gave the US and Britain any credit.. For decades the USSR refused to even acknowledge the 100,000's of truck and airplanes the western allies gave the USSR to help fight Germany.. Much of that on both sides was because of the cold war... After the CW ended I think the history of WWII became much more open and 'fair'.. Again, on both sides//

And also remember with Hitler attacked Poland to start WWII Stalin also attacked Poland.. That little fact is also glossed over far too often, IMO.. Before June 22. 1941 Stalin was doing all he could to help Hitler and help him defeat Britain.. On June 22nd as the German troops were attacking east, Russians trains were heading west filled with Russian raw materials for Germany..
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Re: The World Wars on the History Channel

Postby nordictruce » Wed May 28, 2014 10:36 am

IMHO the biggest mistae he made was going into Great Britain.

With american sentiment, even if hitler took france, poland, etc we still probably would not have went in there, had he not threatened our great alley in GB. Even if he loses to russia, he still has France, Poland, etc if not for us.


Though once we found out about the concentration camps it might have been a wrap for him anyway.
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Re: The World Wars on the History Channel

Postby Mr.Bill » Wed May 28, 2014 10:43 am

Hitler wanted to make peace with Britain.. Churchill would have none of it.

Also there really wasn't much love for England in the US in 1939-1940.. FDR wanted to help england.. But the American public really didn't give a damn if England fell. Even when England was all alone something like 90% of all Americans wanted to stay out of the war.. And the Irish and German Americans really hated England, and did all they could to keep the US out of the war..

There was little love for England.
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