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I have to side with Winchester here Pal. I have a good friend who hunts with a Quackenbush. I have shot his rifle and it is as fine an air rifle as I have seen. However pushing it means range to me. My buddy uses his at NO MORE THEN 35 YARDS. This is to keep enough velocity to get a pass through lung shot. He hunts as your video showed from a tree stand and gets lots of shots under 20 yards. In this range group they are plenty effective. The real trouble is moving out past 50 yards as these things do not carry velocity well at all. But that is cool. He gets his life back after a stupid mistake when he was 18 with a 15 year old girl. He would rather shoot a 30-06 so he doesn't share your belief that Air guns are that great. He has one he hunts with it , he describes it as being about equal to a .410 slug out of a shotgun but more accurate.

I would say his rifle is most likely equal to a .45 acp round out of a carbine like the Marlin camp out to 50 yards. Yes the big bores will do more. That .50 will kill further then my buddies .357. It takes a LOT OF air to get that bullet moving. I think Airguns are cool. the .357 with a bullet mold and few spare parts would be a great all around survival gun. No need for powder, wads, primers etc. Just scavenge lead mold and shoot. I have lots of respect but lets not try and compare them to similar caliber powder propelled weapons.

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Going through the animal means nothing. An arrow will sail right through an animal. This is just laws of physics stuff. What matters isn't just the weight of the bullet, or the velocity it travels at, but the relationship between the two variables that results in the force that the bullet can apply to the target, to say nothing of the expansion characteristics of the bullet itself. You can go out with pellet gun and shoot a moose, sure, if you hit it just right. Doesn't matter though, as reality suffers from this pesky little problem of being imperfect.


Whoa boy, means nothing? You must be kidding??? right?? The video was of a shot from a tree. Down angle low exit wound equals good blood trail (means much easier to find the animal). Penetration is almost everything. I have been a deer hunter for near 40 years. Yes arrows go all the way through and when they dont ?? things can be real tough. Its hard to find blood from high wounds and even tougher when the arrow is still in the hole to plug it up. There was world record bear killed with a .22 with one shot so don't be a fool. http://catfishgumbo.blogspot.com/2007/1 ... -griz.html

Your very sensitive about ethics. Bow hunters have been taking deer , elk and Moose for centuries. These airguns if used properly at the right range kill very efficiently. The only physics that apply are the ability to stop a heart or render an animal blood less.

W e learned some real lessons in high velocity hollow points versus slower solid bullets. I would be glad to teach you some real facts on hunting, bullets and how they work.