Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Re: Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Postby Spider » Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:14 am

I'm not saying it would be instantly perfect. But if anyone wanted to do it...the tools are readily available.

These little pinhole video cameras weigh practically nothing. Lots of drones you buy at retail have one built in. As for recoil, my suggestion is use a small caliber.

If we wanted to get serious I guess we could build large scale fixed wing RC plane and hang a couple of semiautos under the wings parallel to the ventral axis. Then you could cancel the recoil with the vector of inertia while strafing, just like the big boys. :)
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Re: Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Postby barbarap » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:01 am

exploited wrote:Yes. It should be allowed. The Second Amendment clearly protects an Americans right to bear arms.


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Re: Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Postby The Dharma Bum » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:26 am

I don't see any problem with having them.

It's just a gun and RC craft, both of which are perfectly legal. The problem is people who desperately crave the illusion of control over others because of their own psychological issues.
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Re: Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Postby exploited » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:49 am

barbarap wrote:
exploited wrote:Yes. It should be allowed. The Second Amendment clearly protects an Americans right to bear arms.


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I support the right of Americans to arm themselves with small nuclear weapons... However I draw the line at hydrogen bombs.
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Re: Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Postby NAB » Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:23 am

The Dharma Bum wrote:I don't see any problem with having them.

It's just a gun and RC craft, both of which are perfectly legal. The problem is people who desperately crave the illusion of control over others because of their own psychological issues.


I don't see how both being legal would automatically make their combination legal. Driving a car and drinking alcohol are both legal until you combine them.

It seems like a projection of force that goes beyond the 2nd and merely used to protection imho.
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Re: Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Postby The Dharma Bum » Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:28 am

NAB wrote:
The Dharma Bum wrote:I don't see any problem with having them.

It's just a gun and RC craft, both of which are perfectly legal. The problem is people who desperately crave the illusion of control over others because of their own psychological issues.


I don't see how both being legal would automatically make their combination legal. Driving a car and drinking alcohol are both legal until you combine them.

It seems like a projection of force that goes beyond the 2nd and merely used to protection imho.


you can drink and drive all you want on your own private property
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Re: Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Postby The Dharma Bum » Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:30 am

How about drones with alternative weapons platforms, such as lasers or gas?
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Re: Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Postby Professor » Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:34 am

Well, as far as the legality goes, it'll be legal, until it's made illegal. Meaning, I think that it's legal under most laws, but would probably be specifically singled out and made illegal if it becomes a large-scale problem.

But, there is an argument for them being illegal already. Even in states that have generous "home defense" laws (where you can shoot anyone on your property, even if they aren't necessarily posing an immediate threat to your life), a homeowner may not install autonomous, lethal defense devices. For instance, you can't have a shotgun rigged to shoot whoever walks through the door.

A drone may not be "autonomous", but it's close. I could easily argue that a drone would not give you enough information to determine a threat level, and would therefore be autonomous in that sense. It's acting on your direction, but you don't have enough information to determine if a certain level of force is needed.

However, I think that holds true mostly for lethal force drones. If you had a drone that merely incapacitated someone (tazer, knockout gas, bean bag shooter, etc.), then I think it'd be perfectly legal. After all, it's fine to put up an electric fence (which is autonomous), so long as it doesn't deliver enough of a shock to kill.
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Re: Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Postby exploited » Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:38 am

All of that should be allowed.

The entire purpose of the Second Amendment is to allow Americans to wage war against an illegitimate government. That government will be armed with the latest in warfighting technology. It follows that all Americans need access to small nuclear arms, nerve toxins and other defensive weapons, fully automatic machine guns, tanks, artillery, anti-aircraft guns, destroyers, frigates, nuclear submarines, fighter jets and other technology that will be used to overthrow the government. Any attempt to limit the type of weapons is an outright violation of the Second Amendment.

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Re: Should someone be allowed to have an armed drone?

Postby The Dharma Bum » Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:43 am

Professor wrote:Well, as far as the legality goes, it'll be legal, until it's made illegal. Meaning, I think that it's legal under most laws, but would probably be specifically singled out and made illegal if it becomes a large-scale problem.

But, there is an argument for them being illegal already. Even in states that have generous "home defense" laws (where you can shoot anyone on your property, even if they aren't necessarily posing an immediate threat to your life), a homeowner may not install autonomous, lethal defense devices. For instance, you can't have a shotgun rigged to shoot whoever walks through the door.

A drone may not be "autonomous", but it's close. I could easily argue that a drone would not give you enough information to determine a threat level, and would therefore be autonomous in that sense. It's acting on your direction, but you don't have enough information to determine if a certain level of force is needed.

However, I think that holds true mostly for lethal force drones. If you had a drone that merely incapacitated someone (tazer, knockout gas, bean bag shooter, etc.), then I think it'd be perfectly legal. After all, it's fine to put up an electric fence (which is autonomous), so long as it doesn't deliver enough of a shock to kill.


Drones are not in anyway autonomous. They are remote control devices. If it has a camera and a microphone it's just as you were there your self because you are perfectly aware of the surroundings. Perhaps even more aware because of a superior vantage point in the air and electronic aids such as infrared vision, night vision etc.
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