Falcon Heavy

Re: Falcon Heavy

Postby John Galt » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:02 pm

thankfully robots don't need unions and soon we can stop talking about this issue

also of course they'll claim that shit. they're bad workers wanting to get more money for doing less work and they got fired for not doing their job, of course they'll claim otherwise. i mean we're all self serving, but come on.

and haven't you ever seen a bell curve? 5% failures, 20% danger of being failures, 50% adequate, 20% danger of being adequate, 5% performing above standard. they only fired 2%
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Re: Falcon Heavy

Postby Saz » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:58 am

I stand with musk. It’s odd but I actually don’t think he cares about the money beyond it allowing him to further pursue his actual goals. If firing 2% of his workforce (or firing anyone attempting to unionise) is what it takes to get us to mars or to have a truly electric auto industry, then fire away. Industries are ruined when they are captured for the workers instead of their intended purpose - look at teachers, they act as if the point of school is to employ them instead of to educate children. f**k off.
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Re: Falcon Heavy

Postby John Galt » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:27 am

Saz wrote:I stand with musk. It’s odd but I actually don’t think he cares about the money beyond it allowing him to further pursue his actual goals. If firing 2% of his workforce (or firing anyone attempting to unionise) is what it takes to get us to mars or to have a truly electric auto industry, then fire away. Industries are ruined when they are captured for the workers instead of their intended purpose - look at teachers, they act as if the point of school is to employ them instead of to educate children. f**k off.


100% true

i will say employees at private companies have a right to unionize, even if i don't like them. but like FDR, i don't think any public sector employee should have that right

also we don't have enough cobalt to make a 'true electric car industry' (if you mean, a majority of cars); we don't have enough cobalt to replace half the cars with teslas, if we even found all of it. and if you want to talk about tesla and workers... talk about congolese and cobalt mining. i think it's actual slaves being used. i believe tesla has claimed they won't use that cobalt but we're getting into resource crunch time already

but of course, along with colonizing mars there's also going out, capturing asteroids, towing them back, and mining them, sending their resources, like cobalt, back to earth, so we can make a bunch of electric cars and save the f**k planet.

you watch press conference with Elon and you can see how real he is. if you ask him a question, he doesn't bullshit. he might go on tangents but that's because he's excited about stuff, he's not trying to obstrufucate. he's got very lofty goals and he wants to attain them, and i'd listen to everything he says because he doesn't make shit up. he says crazy stuff like he's going to send his car into orbit and then he does it
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Re: Falcon Heavy

Postby JDHURF » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:21 pm

Industries are not ruined when there is a modicum of economic democracy and labor justice. The tired, uninformed free market extremist mythology is not only incredibly fallacious, it's an actual and obvious danger. Absolutely baseless assaults slandering teachers who've been under a vicious assault for decades is either willful ignorance or unamusing trolling.

John Galt wrote:you watch press conference with Elon and you can see how real he is. if you ask him a question, he doesn't bullshit. he might go on tangents but that's because he's excited about stuff, he's not trying to obstrufucate. he's got very lofty goals and he wants to attain them, and i'd listen to everything he says because he doesn't make shit up


As I've said, I find Elon Musk interesting and follow Tesla and SpaceX developments when I can, but we shouldn't pretend he's above valid criticisms and that his enterprises are perfect.

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Re: Falcon Heavy

Postby Saz » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:03 am

JDHURF wrote:Industries are not ruined when there is a modicum of economic democracy and labor justice.
No, they are not. But that's not what public unions are fighting for.

The tired, uninformed free market extremist mythology is not only incredibly fallacious, it's an actual and obvious danger.
No one is a free market extremist - the jobs that are unionized are not even market jobs, they are government jobs where workers double dip through the political process to vote themselves ever more exorbitant benefits at the expense of the taxpayer and the quality of public services. Rather than compete, innovate and work like the rest of us - they do as little as possible and use the political process to guarantee themselves demand for their noncompetitive labor. They think they should be paid for inputs rather than results, and we end up with a system where workers are paid as if they are very productive, when in fact they significantly less productive than an equivalent worker in the private sector. Reagan was right about this - do your job for the salary offered or f**k off and we will find someone who can. I don't care if that means bringing in the military to run the airports or trains in the interim.

Absolutely baseless assaults slandering teachers who've been under a vicious assault for decades is either willful ignorance or unamusing trolling.

Teachers are compensated in a way that ahs no bearing on their actual results. If you dare suggest teachers should demonstrate that they are actually educating children in return for pay increases, they balk. This tells you everything you need to know about teachers and their unions. Effective employees would leap for an opportunity for higher pay connected to better results...but not teachers. Frankly a vast majority do very little and are nothing more than glorified babysitters who work 8 months a year. They are often composed of some of the lower performing graduates and employees as well - and of course they are, there is no reward for actually being an effective teacher and there is no penalty for being a shit one - it naturally attracts people who want to slide under the radar and naturally discourages those who want to excel.

Some teachers are excellent and are severely underpaid. But this is not most teachers - most teachers and their unions fight for a system that keeps excellent teachers from being paid properly, so the rest of the laggards can be subsidized.
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Re: Falcon Heavy

Postby ToddStarnes » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:24 am

Holy shit have you seen this guys double ex wife?

Mother of god. She looks absolutely freaky.
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Re: Falcon Heavy

Postby Philly » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:10 am

ToddStarnes wrote:Holy shit have you seen this guys double ex wife?

Mother of god. She looks absolutely freaky.

She had a bit role in season 1 of Westworld and is supposedly going to become a more major character in the upcoming season.
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Re: Falcon Heavy

Postby exploited » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:14 am

I really don't like the "double-dipping" of public unions, as Saz puts it. Public unions blow, but since the rich have been waging unceasing class warfare for forty years, they are a necessary evil and one of the main institutions preventing the total destruction of the middle class.

It is extremely short-sighted to support anti-union activities, particularly since most of the criticism thrown at unions is ideological horseshit concocted by the rich to make everyone else look down on themselves. "Unions destroyed the auto industry." lol, no, the corporations destroyed the industry by putting out abject garbage for years, refusing to innovate, and spending all their time rent-seeking instead of improving their products. The unions and the taxpayers bent over backwards to keep this from happening, but corporate made one disastrous decision after another, and got absolutely crushed by corporations who actually listened to their employees and made massive improvements to quality as a result (see Japanese automakers).

All that said, Musk is a God and is not obliged to play by the same rules as us mere mortals. Even I will forgive a bit of union busting if it means getting to Mars.
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Re: Falcon Heavy

Postby spacemonkey » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:27 pm

We use things made by child labor at the same time we spew our high moral standards as we set on our high horse named Pompus. But unions are bad? lol.
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Re: Falcon Heavy

Postby ToddStarnes » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:34 pm

Philly wrote:
ToddStarnes wrote:Holy shit have you seen this guys double ex wife?

Mother of god. She looks absolutely freaky.

She had a bit role in season 1 of Westworld and is supposedly going to become a more major character in the upcoming season.


So she's definitely kinky though right?

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