Maybe MS is listening to you guys?

Re: Maybe MS is listening to you guys?

Postby Winchester » Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:30 pm

exploited wrote:I gotta admit, I am pretty excited for it to happen. The cost savings for consumers will be huge, and the modularity of the device would allow you to add more power if you so choose. So if you wanted your device to really have gaming power, attach a graphics card module. Want to compartmentalize your device? Have a separate storage module.


Yeah, me too. One can already do that (to an extent) with a tablet (MS Surface), just need the power and RAM to shrink to phone size... but it will happen.
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Re: Maybe MS is listening to you guys?

Postby Aaron » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:44 pm

Conceptually, microsoft has been terrible, because under balmer they were an accounting firm that sold operating systems on the side. Now they are thinking ecosystem, and they
Might take a few pennies from apple doing it.
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Re: Maybe MS is listening to you guys?

Postby Spider » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:56 am

exploited wrote:Touchscreens are pretty annoying on PCs. However I could understand the appeal if they were perfect.

I think the computer market is ripe for an all in one device. That is what needs to happen... A device that can work as a phone, that can simply be jacked into a monitor, and act as a full-fledged PC. Ubuntu tried to make a phone like this but I don't think they hit their fundraising goal. So if you want a screen that is tablet size, you just buy the screen and attach your device to it. Or you hook it up to your television. Or you use the touchscreen.

I'd hate to see the market instead continue making different sized computers. We need one computer to do all the tasks and be modular.


As long as the performance is there, it sounds good to me. Just has to integrate correctly with large displays and the usual input devices. Would be easy to get it doing everyday computing tasks...but heavy lifting takes energy. Serious battery capacity and heat dissipation. Still a ways to go.
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Re: Maybe MS is listening to you guys?

Postby Spider » Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:02 am

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Spider wrote:What kind of a technophile wants a touchscreen on everything? The landslide majority who do serious work on computers, ie design environments and such, couldn't care less about touchscreens. Too cumbersome, too imprecise. Like eating soup with a fork. Maybe I don't count as a technophile, but I view touchscreens on a PC as a hopeless gimmick. And I don't believe for a minute they thought it would be a better experience. I tend to think the old men sitting around board tables at MS bought into the "post-pc" thing, saw desktops as a dead end, and tried to drag them in the tablet direction. Win8 is clearly a tablet OS with a little bit of desktop DNA glossed on top, as opposed to a desktop OS with some tablet functionality. These people are slaves to the "next big thing" unicorn hunt, not consideration for their customers' desires. They're trying to pull a classic Jobs angle, where people don't know they want it until they see it. Steve Jobs had the gift of pretty much telling people what they wanted to buy. MS doesn't have that. MS needs to listen to what its customers actually say they want.

Its a nasty example of function following form. "We need a tablet OS...but it needs to also work on the desktop. It needs to look like a tablet OS...and we don't care how aggravating it is to actually use...because tablets are the future. Derp."

Meanwhile, tablet sales begin to level out, and PC sales rebound a bit.


Agree with ya on touchscreens for desktop work... ugh, stupid, stupid, stupid. Tablets are okay, think there is a nitch there to replace laptops and possibly some desktops via a docking station for full keyboard, mouse and large screen.

As far as PC sales, I'm enamored with the small form factor of the shuttles. Build them the way you want and mount them to the back of your monitor. Wouldn't work as a gaming computer, but for all else pretty sweet.

http://www.amazon.com/SHUTTLE-DS81-LGA1 ... ds=shuttle

http://www.amazon.com/Shuttle-DS61-V1-1 ... ds=shuttle

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Just being able to screw the thing into the VESA mounts on the back of a monitor is pretty sweet to me. I really like small form factor. I'm still using a full tower case from the last decade, but damn. Heat and power is so much less of an issue now...even fire breathing gaming rigs can go down to shoe box size with little trouble. Mini-ITX is all the rage.

How have the power supplies been doing on those shuttles? I think you'd mentioned you'd put together a bunch of them. Seems to me the number one thing limiting how small PC's can get is the bulky power supplies. These really compact form factors have purpose built power supplies, I've been wondering how they hold up.
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Re: Maybe MS is listening to you guys?

Postby Spider » Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:08 am

Aaron wrote:Conceptually, microsoft has been terrible, because under balmer they were an accounting firm that sold operating systems on the side. Now they are thinking ecosystem, and they
Might take a few pennies from apple doing it.


Eh. Even Apple, the undisputed masters of ecosystem, knew better than to try to turn their desktop OS into a tablet OS. (For now.)

What MS needs is some sort of a hit device. Anything. The Surface is actually an excellent device, well made, people like it. But, it costs too much and there is too much negativity about Win8...which is too bad because Win8 is actually excellent as a tablet OS. Apple was able to build an ecosystem on the basis of strong adoption of their devices...MS is trying to sell devices on the assumption that if there is an ecosystem, people will come. Cart before the horse. Ya, the ecosystem is a strong selling point for Apple, but people were perfectly willing to pay premium prices for their products long before.
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Re: Maybe MS is listening to you guys?

Postby Winchester » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:44 am

Spider wrote:Just being able to screw the thing into the VESA mounts on the back of a monitor is pretty sweet to me. I really like small form factor. I'm still using a full tower case from the last decade, but damn. Heat and power is so much less of an issue now...even fire breathing gaming rigs can go down to shoe box size with little trouble. Mini-ITX is all the rage.

How have the power supplies been doing on those shuttles? I think you'd mentioned you'd put together a bunch of them. Seems to me the number one thing limiting how small PC's can get is the bulky power supplies. These really compact form factors have purpose built power supplies, I've been wondering how they hold up.


I've been running 3 of them 24/7 for the last year, zero problems.

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Re: Maybe MS is listening to you guys?

Postby The Comrade » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:56 am

Microsoft just acquired mojang and they've recently opened up their Dev studios to make some HD remakes and push out some currently unknown games. I think they're actually distancing themselves from the apple model.
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