Just confirming Windows 8 still sucks

Re: Just confirming Windows 8 still sucks

Postby The Comrade » Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:46 pm

i think it's fair to say even microsoft acknowledges it sucks. windows 8 wasn't even out of beta before rumors of windows 9 or 10 or whatever the f**k it is were being circulated (and they were true)
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Re: Just confirming Windows 8 still sucks

Postby uebermann » Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:52 pm

tehsnow wrote:uebermann: Don't take this too personally... but you're in IT? Could have fooled me. Unless you're helpdesk or something.


Well yeah I mean based on our long conversations we've had...

Wait, who the f**k are you? How can you even pretend to know if I was in IT or not lol.
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Re: Just confirming Windows 8 still sucks

Postby uebermann » Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:56 pm

The Comrade wrote:i think it's fair to say even microsoft acknowledges it sucks.


Exploited has ignored that bit in every single post I have put it in.
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Re: Just confirming Windows 8 still sucks

Postby uebermann » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:14 pm

exploited wrote:I find it curious that of all the problems you have listed, Uber, only one of them is even slightly related to the UI, and the rest aren't seen anywhere but your $295 laptop.


Oh? I don't think you even bothered looking then because multiple people have had the same issues.

Lets tackle these one at a time, shall we?

1. programs crashing lots of ms forum stuff on it. This laptop came with 8.1 preinstalled. not 8.1 update 1. I tried to get it to update to update 1 several times manually to no avail, btw:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=wi ... rosoft.com

2. windows 8.1 not updating is more of an annoyance than a problem, which I stated. It did update, just on its own accord. Manually ran update several times without it ever wanting to update. I'm not going to bother googling though I'm sure others have had the same problem. Its just not something you would go to a forum about.

3. system image backup failing
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=wi ... rosoft.com

4. time wrong
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=wi ... neowin.net

5. windows explorer crashing
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=wi ... rosoft.com

6. usb shutting off problem (or my assumption anyways since it works fine on everything else)
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id- ... aving.html
http://www.techsupportalert.com/content ... roblem.htm <-- this is probably the issue and it says how to fix

I could spend time looking into these issues and fixing them but I don't need to. I don't need Windows 8. Laptop works fine, runs like a damn beast honestly. Was able to play LoL for a couple hours in Win7 today running on mediumlow with 60 fps without a dip. Can probably push it further but I was really only doing it to see if the laptop would overheat or if it APU would crash at all. Didn't crash in Furmark but LoL is more fun than watching furmark =P
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Re: Just confirming Windows 8 still sucks

Postby Spider » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:53 pm

Meh. Blaming this on "people hate change" doesn't ring true here at all. Change isn't a good or bad thing, inherently. Good change is good, and bad change is bad. IMO, Windows 8 was a bunch of bad changes. Windows 8.1 was a collection of good changes that corrected some earlier bad ones.

And now that I've been playing with Windows 10 for a couple weeks, I feel that it is mostly good change as well. Personally, I love change. Being into tech pretty much demands the embrace of change. But only if it goes in a positive direction, instead of a total f**k joke, such as the case of Windows 8.

We can try to find objective truths here all we want, but since the problem with Windows 8 is the interface (And its been soundly rejected by most of the PC using public as well as the press covering the segment. Premiums are being paid to "downgrade" new computers to 7.) its seems pretty obvious that its a matter of personal preference.

I don't personally have any problem with 8 in terms of stability. The thing does work in my experience. But that's a pretty minimal expectation, and admittedly I'm forced to deal with only 2 Window 8 machines. It seems to be an excellent tablet OS, though.

Windows 10 will release next year, and just as we were happy to have the superior Windows 7 after dealing with Vista, we'll be happy to have 10 after dealing with 8.

We have to bear in mind, some people really liked Vista, just as some people really seem to like 8. *shrug* To each their own.
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Re: Just confirming Windows 8 still sucks

Postby Spider » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:57 pm

exploited wrote:
Spider wrote:
exploited wrote:Beyond having to choose a program from a list of coloured boxes versus a list of text, what exactly is the functionality loss of Metro? You still have the task bar, which shows open and active programs. You still have a centralized menu from which to access your programs, the big difference being a lack of an icon to click on the taskbar, having been replaced by pressing the Windows key, which by the way is faster and easier.

The truth is, like all people who spazzed about Metro, is that you don't like how it looks. So you've invented a whole slew of bullshit about how much different Windows 7 and 8 are. Actually, you know what, that isn't accurate - you've presented exactly TWO differences, one that is silly and based entirely upon your aesthetic preferences, and the other which doesn't f**k matter to the consumer.


No, that's wrong as well. You don't really believe that an interface is strictly aesthetic do you? This is mostly a matter of functionality. The difference between Windows 7 and windows vista is aesthetic, mostly. Not at all the case between eight and seven.

Ask yourself this: Are OSX and Ubuntu the same thing because they are both Unix based? Because they use windows and sliders and boxes and such?

for some reason you're trying to present all Windows versions as being the same thing somehow. That's just not at all correct.


Its actually a matter of functionality, as I've repeatedly pointed out and has been repeatedly ignored.

But, on that score, again I ask, why are you discounting the interface...which, again, as has already been pointed out, is the single most important element to any operating system. And yes, I mean that from the perspective of an end user, obviously, as I don't work in the bowels of a corporate data center all day. I'm talking about the average person hating 8 as opposed to 7, to such a degree that its caused radical change and marketing panic over at MS.


What specific functionality? You've been strangely reticent to share.

You don't like the start menu, therefore Windows 7 is better. That is literally the only logic presented, meanwhile the new guy is cleaning house, and the only thing you guys do is accuse him of being a sock puppet :))


I'm not going to sit here and type this stuff out for you so you can ignore it completely, just as you selectively ignore half of what I post generally, instead substituting your own assumptions. Just google "reasons Windows 8 sucks" and you'll find literally thousands of itemized lists. Its one of the more impressive hate piles in PC history, but there are common threads throughout that tend to mirror what has been pointed out in this thread.

As for whatever his name is, he quite literally made the claim that when it comes to operating systems, the interface doesn't matter. Which is of course flatly, inarguably, wrong. And thus he has no credibility to begin with. He also acknowledged the the failures of 8, though, so he and I are in agreement on that score.

Its Ueber that's been cleaning up, in point of fact. Though he seems to have had a lot more bad luck with 8 than I.
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Re: Just confirming Windows 8 still sucks

Postby Winchester » Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:34 am

Spider wrote:Meh. Blaming this on "people hate change" doesn't ring true here at all. Change isn't a good or bad thing, inherently. Good change is good, and bad change is bad. IMO, Windows 8 was a bunch of bad changes. Windows 8.1 was a collection of good changes that corrected some earlier bad ones.


In this case I think MS getting heavy handed (arrogance) with consumers and forcing them for no reason to use the Metro interface as a default combined with the change is what set people off on it so much.

Had MS came out with 8.1 as it is AND given the buyer a choice on initial startup of the machine asking "would you like to use the tradition desktop or would you like to use the new Metro optimized for tablets/phones?" with the "and don't worry you can always change between the 2 later.", there would have been a whole lot less shitstorm.
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Re: Just confirming Windows 8 still sucks

Postby Spider » Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:57 pm

Winchester wrote:
Spider wrote:Meh. Blaming this on "people hate change" doesn't ring true here at all. Change isn't a good or bad thing, inherently. Good change is good, and bad change is bad. IMO, Windows 8 was a bunch of bad changes. Windows 8.1 was a collection of good changes that corrected some earlier bad ones.


In this case I think MS getting heavy handed (arrogance) with consumers and forcing them for no reason to use the Metro interface as a default combined with the change is what set people off on it so much.

Had MS came out with 8.1 as it is AND given the buyer a choice on initial startup of the machine asking "would you like to use the tradition desktop or would you like to use the new Metro optimized for tablets/phones?" with the "and don't worry you can always change between the 2 later.", there would have been a whole lot less shitstorm.


That much is inarguably true.

They did have good reasons though. First, they wanted to push software through the Microsoft store and try to build an ecosystem in the same vein as Google and Apple. And in the same stroke of course, they really wanted to sell tablets and phones. But, as it worked out they failed to break into either segment. What they need to do is stop being stubborn and really rethink this thing. It seems logical to assume at this point that the public just isn't that appreciative of this whole live tile thing. People just don't seem to like it. The sales demonstrates that people prefer what Apple and Google are doing. At least a landslide majority of people. It's probably just a case of follow the herd mentality. I just don't know why this is worked out so badly for them...personally I find the whole system very appealing aesthetically, and it just seems intuitive and nice I just kinda like it. BUT...that is reserved to phones and tablets of course.



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Re: Just confirming Windows 8 still sucks

Postby eric » Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:08 am

The exception being the Surface. That thing is nice. I swear I see more people with it every day.
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Re: Just confirming Windows 8 still sucks

Postby Spider » Wed Nov 12, 2014 2:00 pm

eric wrote:The exception being the Surface. That thing is nice. I swear I see more people with it every day.


Yes the surface Pro is very nice. The surface RT, on the other hand, has been an unmitigated disaster, costing Microsoft $2 billion. I've been on the fence myself over the surface Pro for quite a while. I think that's were windows 8 really shines...tablets. So I'm kind of curious about how windows 10 is going to be implemented on tablets, since the whole metro interface has been completely scrapped, and full-screen apps are also removed. Maybe there will finally be a setting where you can go into tablet mode or something.

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