We're so f*cked

[ToddStarnes]

Oh and we aren't even getting into the other factors. f**k man just being born after the invention of penicillin puts us at 99th percentile for best time to be alive ever.

The arch of the world is generally up.

[ToddStarnes]

https://ourworldindata.org/slides/war-and-violence/#/15

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[JDHURF]

Some of the indigenous tribes were certainly disgustingly violent, but not all of them or even a majority of them by any means. The suggestion otherwise is part and parcel of the "cowboys vs indians" myth buttressing the colonization of the Americas by not just disgustingly violent, but literally genocidal plundering white Christian racists. White Christian society was as disgustingly violent if not more so for centuries: cutting each others heads off, bisembowling one another, burning each other at the stake, etc. and that's what they did to each other, let alone their intense and horrific violence committed to the "other."

That the only suggested example given here of global human society's violence is an organized and defined as such world war is ludicrous. The United States alone, to confine the example to only one of the state's ongoing wars, has been in a perpetual global war spanning several continents for longer than any war in its history which consists of kidnappings, torture, bombing residential centers killing scores of innocent civilians habitually and arming and supporting death squads and dictators. Even the Aztecs weren't able to with a single act, sending a drone anywhere in the in world, not only behead and/or disembowel someone, but actually shred bodies by the dozens in an instant so that they're unrecognizable.

Unless the reference to smallpox is the preposterous assumption that smallpox was willfully utilized for biological warfare then it is the most obvious non-sequitur that I've seen in a very long time. The same goes for the mention of penicillin, an antibiotic, the "arguments" being presented here are simply laughable. The debate is about war and organized human violence.

[ToddStarnes]

PCF: the world has gotten less violent.

Hurf: But America is evil and kills people!

f**k libs man goddamn

[Spider]

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[JDHURF]

[Spider]

You must not have looked at it very hard, as it covers the last 6 centuries of history and has no absolute reference point. WW2 is simply the point where we developed nuclear weapons and, consequently, stopped having full scale wars as they became unsurvivable. Also, that chart is scaled to the rate of conflict deaths per 100,000 people...so population growth is already factored in. It's not in absolute numbers. Comparing the 30 Years War...which was actually the most significant conflict in history up to that point (leaving aside the Mongols, maybe?), to the WoT makes no sense at all because the world's population is now 15 times greater than it was in the 1600's.

That's like arguing about what things cost over time without factoring in inflation. Nonsensical.

I mean...a meaningful percentage of humanity was exterminated during the 30 Years War. Entire regions had their populations reduced by half or more. The disease and famine alone, even leaving aside violent deaths from rampaging armies and mercenaries, boggles the mind. And you want to compare this to the relatively trivial WoT? Seriously? No, Hurf. No no no.

Not sure where anyone gets the idea that warfare has been getting worse the last half century. Or maybe people think of the world of centuries past as being idyllic and peaceful when really it was positively dripping in senseless violence and war. People really do like to make believe about the good old days.

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