We're so f*cked

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It's been a year, did Trump Co work with the Russians?

Yes - I read fake news
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86%
No - I am a Trumpbot and lack any critical thinking skills
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14%
 
Total votes : 7

Re: We're so f*cked

Postby Spider » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:12 pm

John Galt wrote:it's so the president can't be elected by californians and new yorkers on a platform of "f**k everyone not califonians and new yorkers in the ass"


Californians and New Yorkers are Americans, too. And if trump is any indication, they are more so. Their votes shouldn't count for less.
Under the system we have now, Repulblici in California and New York may as well not exist.

"f**k everyone else in the ass?" lol. You're talking about the the #1 and #3 per capita federal revenue generators in the country. California alone, in terms of the amount of value it generates for the rest of the country, probably prevents at least 10 red states (which cost us money, to keep dragging along kicking and screaming into the 21st century, with their made in China MAGA hats and abstinence-only fueled teen pregnancy rates) from backsliding into cannibalism and burning crosses.

One man, one vote. Anything less is barbarism. I mean, f**k look at this mess. We could have avoided both Bush and trump by simply letting everyone have an equal vote.

The horror.
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Re: We're so f*cked

Postby Kane » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:21 pm

John Galt wrote:it's so the president can't be elected by californians and new yorkers on a platform of "f**k everyone not califonians and new yorkers in the ass"


I feel safe in assuming that the founders didn't invent the electoral system with the intent of gerrymandering becoming a mere tool within the political toolbox for a given party. Sure, you have a system meant to prevent mob rule (protects the rights of the minority) but to claim that this, in its current form, is working as it was intended? Pretty sure that's not the case here bro. Trump's exactly the type of person they sought to prevent from coming to power in the first place (demagogue and a populist). And now he's the head of the one party that has masterfully utilized gerrymandering (The Dems once again prove their inability to win even when the numbers are on their side).

EDIT: RE Nebraska, Maine, and Virginia. Other states might soon too.
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Re: We're so f*cked

Postby Saz » Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:33 am

Spider wrote:
John Galt wrote:it's so the president can't be elected by californians and new yorkers on a platform of "f**k everyone not califonians and new yorkers in the ass"


Californians and New Yorkers are Americans, too. And if trump is any indication, they are more so. Their votes shouldn't count for less.
Under the system we have now, Repulblici in California and New York may as well not exist.

"f**k everyone else in the ass?" lol. You're talking about the the #1 and #3 per capita federal revenue generators in the country. California alone, in terms of the amount of value it generates for the rest of the country, probably prevents at least 10 red states (which cost us money, to keep dragging along kicking and screaming into the 21st century, with their made in China MAGA hats and abstinence-only fueled teen pregnancy rates) from backsliding into cannibalism and burning crosses.

One man, one vote. Anything less is barbarism. I mean, f**k look at this mess. We could have avoided both Bush and trump by simply letting everyone have an equal vote.

The horror.


hmm unfortunately I have to agree with you here. The electoral college was one thing when it consistently tracked the majority sentiment. But to now have two presidents elected in 20 years (and only 5 elections) against the sentiment of the majority is troubling to say the least. This is compounded by the fact that both elections were settled in a dubious manner with Bush's literal f**k brother running the state he needed to win, and Trump and the whole Russian fiasco. It also doesn't help that there two are widely regarded as the two of the worst presidents in US history.

It's actually quite shocking how far the Republicans seem willing to go to win. At a certain point with all of these arcane rules and gerrymandering, you have a result that is a farce and hardly democratic. I'm shocked that a bigger deal isn't made of this. I can't stop Republicans from tricking stupid proles into backing their next round of tax cuts, but to manipulate district lines and voting thresholds in a way to ensure you continue to win with an ever shrinking vote....it's just not democratic, its an authoritarian practice that cannot be justified and should not be tolerated in a mature democracy.
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Re: We're so f*cked

Postby John Galt » Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:40 am

it doesn't matter what the californians and new yorkers politics are. the point is the president has to be president of the united states, not the coasts. the electoral college isn't the problem, but gerrymandering is so advanced these days it is -- so much so that i think that districting needs to go away and we need to elect our congressmen as party list under the Webster method of voting, similar to the bundestag. gerrymandering is really bad not because of letting republicans win or whatever -- they can't do anything anyway. it's bad because the only challenge comes in the primary, meaning the rhetoric becomes more partisan

but speaking of elections...

https://www.salon.com/2017/11/24/heres- ... nton-2020/

"By winning the popular vote convincingly in 2016, Hillary Clinton has earned the right to be considered the presumptive nominee in 2020."

lmao

he'd win again. after all this shit, he'd f**k win again.
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Re: We're so f*cked

Postby spacemonkey » Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:43 am

Spider wrote:
spacemonkey wrote:How Russian Americans voted in the election was the extent of Russian involvement in the election.


Not according to trump. He's plainly stated his support of the findings of the US (and international) intelligence services, which have found that there is in fact basically zero doubt of Russian meddling in the election.

You really are on your own in this. The CIA knows it happened, and has said so. So has the NSA. So has the FBI. And so has trump. (finally)

So far you've stated that you think the US government is lying about the entire thing. Does this now include trump?

What exactly did the Russians do to alter the outcome, or did they actually alter anything?
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Re: We're so f*cked

Postby NAB » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:49 pm

spacemonkey wrote:
Spider wrote:
spacemonkey wrote:How Russian Americans voted in the election was the extent of Russian involvement in the election.


Not according to trump. He's plainly stated his support of the findings of the US (and international) intelligence services, which have found that there is in fact basically zero doubt of Russian meddling in the election.

You really are on your own in this. The CIA knows it happened, and has said so. So has the NSA. So has the FBI. And so has trump. (finally)

So far you've stated that you think the US government is lying about the entire thing. Does this now include trump?

What exactly did the Russians do to alter the outcome, or did they actually alter anything?


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Re: We're so f*cked

Postby Kane » Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:52 pm

I just can’t believe a report that says a US spymaster told Israeli Intelligence Trump is compromised and that Russia has leverage over him...

Barely made the news. Anywhere.

Country. Is. f**k. If not because of Trump, because we’ve all been convinced it’s not a big deal or that we can’t do anything about it.
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Re: We're so f*cked

Postby Spider » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:42 am

Really, the rank and file simply don't believe any of it. It's not that it's not a big deal, or they can't do anything about it...it's that they simply don't believe its actually happened. They've been effectively sequestered. Our tolerance threshold for presidential buffoonery has been raised so high that it's really kind of hard to imagine what it would actually take to get anyone really upset anymore. I mean...they're upset that it's being reported. Not that it happened. Because they don't believe it.


I can't even imagine what would have happened to Obama had he done anything like any of this. There are at least 3 dozen things that trump has simply called "fake news" and been magically expunged of that would have resulted in Obama resigning or being impeached. With malice and velocity.
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Re: We're so f*cked

Postby Kane » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:03 am

John Galt wrote:it doesn't matter what the californians and new yorkers politics are. the point is the president has to be president of the united states, not the coasts. the electoral college isn't the problem, but gerrymandering is so advanced these days it is -- so much so that i think that districting needs to go away and we need to elect our congressmen as party list under the Webster method of voting, similar to the bundestag. gerrymandering is really bad not because of letting republicans win or whatever -- they can't do anything anyway. it's bad because the only challenge comes in the primary, meaning the rhetoric becomes more partisan

but speaking of elections...

https://www.salon.com/2017/11/24/heres- ... nton-2020/

"By winning the popular vote convincingly in 2016, Hillary Clinton has earned the right to be considered the presumptive nominee in 2020."

lmao

he'd win again. after all this shit, he'd f**k win again.


If the DNC got behind Hillary again I'd leave the country. Trump would win that and it'd be game over.
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Re: We're so f*cked

Postby exploited » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:45 pm

Trump called Warren "Pocahontas" while holding a ceremony for Native American veterans, standing in front of a portrait of Andrew Jackson.

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