Twitter Wars

[John Galt]

Lol spider, he did flat out suggest a free trade some with no tariffs allowed. I'm 100% in favor of such a thing. Canadian dairy is extremely protected. Butter is at 294% tariff for example. It does exemplify Canadian's hypocritical stance on the issue of tariffs

Free trade agreement should be simple. "We have free trade". Let Canadians get cheap dairy from free cows

[Winchester]

[John Galt]

Fair. Problem though: Canada demands free trade only for things they don't produce

[NAB]

The most accurate Political Compass I’ve ever seen (thanks to twitter)

[Spider]

[John Galt]

so you naturally support tariffs on steel then, because America has no responsibility to offer up it's tiny steel industry to others?

[exploited]

Supply management is mostly about protecting the industry, but it is also about maintaining a quality product. American dairy is the worst dairy produced anywhere in the Western world. Absolutely disgusting, I can see why most of the production is poured down the drain, with ~70% of profit coming directly from taxpayer subsidies.

[Kane]

[John Galt]

all yous are a bunch of protectionist shits

at least trump has the fundamental human decency to admit it. that's right. trump has more fundamental human decency than yous. and at least the canadian is a patriot. jesus christ

[exploited]

America's primary problem is overproduction. You are dumping ~100-200 million gallons a year, and you have something like 10 million dairy cows. The reason why this happens is because the government is propping up the industry by providing the vast bulk of profits - literally around 70% of all dairy profit in the US comes from the taxpayer.

Here, we avoid overproduction by quotas. Demand is essentially the same as supply. The consequence is higher prices for consumers, and shutting out other countries, but there is very little waste, standards are high, farms are decently profitable, and we don't need to subsidize in the conventional ways you do.

So, in essence, both of us are subsidizing like crazy, both of us are unwilling to take a shit on farmers, etc.

If we could agree that America will end all subsidies to dairy farmers, and Canada would end supply management, we might get someplace with this. But neither option will come before the other. Thus, gridlock. Expecting Canada to open up dairy when you massively subsidize your own farmers is unreasonable - the same can be said in the other direction.

The proper course is negotiation led by reasonable adults who can slowly transition away from this situation. Trump is not being reasonable, nor is he an adult. To impose tariffs on the basis of national security, but actually because you're mad at the agreement YOU SIGNED is f**k.