House Dems vote to give Trump nearly limitless spying power
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:59 pmPolitical Crossfire Forums
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House Dems vote to give Trump nearly limitless spying power
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:42 pmUsually the EFF is spot on but I have a hard time believing they are in the right on this one. I just saw them thanking Louie Gohmert for his support on the previously failed bill by Amash. I, in no way, believe that Gohmert was going to be for a bill limiting spying powers and thus limiting Trump. No way.
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:55 pmIs he getting that from Google?,lol
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:56 pmSee dude, having a name like "USA Rights Act" sounds too damn much like Patriot Act for me. Why the shady f**k name? I don't trust that one iota. Coupled with Gohmert and I have no faith that this bill was indeed what they are stating. I don't know that Gohmert has EVER been on the right side of any legislature.
The guy legitimately believed that Hillary was going to jail all Christians if she won the 2016 election. I can't trust the judgement of such a person when it comes to something important, like laws. Either he had no clue what he was voting for or the bill isn't what it stated it was. Seeing that it didn't get Dem support and then failed, I have trouble believing them on this.
I'm against expansion of spying but I don't see anywhere that this is actual expansion of spying. I see limitations out the wazoo. The section you are stating was already clarified by the previous redditor here: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/com ... d/dskxrsb/
The guy legitimately believed that Hillary was going to jail all Christians if she won the 2016 election. I can't trust the judgement of such a person when it comes to something important, like laws. Either he had no clue what he was voting for or the bill isn't what it stated it was. Seeing that it didn't get Dem support and then failed, I have trouble believing them on this.
I'm against expansion of spying but I don't see anywhere that this is actual expansion of spying. I see limitations out the wazoo. The section you are stating was already clarified by the previous redditor here: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/com ... d/dskxrsb/
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:23 pmThe name sounds silly but pretty much every bill has an absurd name. I very much doubt that Gohmert has an appealing voting record, but that is not evidence that he voted for this bill because it was draconian and the opposite of what the civil liberties groups and lawyers have observed it as being.
125 Dems supported it. 55 opposed. It actually did garner the support of Democrats. The reasoning behind the 55 Democrats opposed is precisely what Glenn Greenwald analyzes in the article I quoted and linked to in the OP. The Democrats are not and have never been the paragons of civil liberties, so even were the amendment to be a more aggressive expansion of the surveillance powers rather than the limiting safeguards that it actually is (as observed by Greenwald, the ACLU and the EFF), that the Democrats did or did not support it is not a proof of some mischaracterization of the nature of the bill posted on reddit.
125 Dems supported it. 55 opposed. It actually did garner the support of Democrats. The reasoning behind the 55 Democrats opposed is precisely what Glenn Greenwald analyzes in the article I quoted and linked to in the OP. The Democrats are not and have never been the paragons of civil liberties, so even were the amendment to be a more aggressive expansion of the surveillance powers rather than the limiting safeguards that it actually is (as observed by Greenwald, the ACLU and the EFF), that the Democrats did or did not support it is not a proof of some mischaracterization of the nature of the bill posted on reddit.