Libertarianism, Mexico’s New Burgeoining Political Movement

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Re: Libertarianism, Mexico’s New Burgeoining Political Movem

Postby exploited » Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:42 pm

Dylan wrote:
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Dylan wrote:Pharmaceutical companies are some of the biggest advocates of keeping marijuana illegal.

The idea that pharma companies are going to roll into Mexico and enter a small scale war for the right to grow marijuana that can't be legally exported anywhere is laughable. It's so laughable only exploited could have come up with it.

Why do they need to go to Mexico though? There's plenty of suitable places to produce it elsewhere. And it inevitably will be legal or at least decriminalized eventually, so they should get in on it while the getting's good.

No need to go to Mexico. It was just LNRW's and Ex's little theory that legalizing weed in Mexico is going to have BIG RESULTS for Mexico. Ex thinks it would bring in pharma companies who just CAN'T WAIT to get their hands on the lucrative weed industry within Mexico and would be totally willing to enter a war to tap that market.

I'm sure various companies have backup plans for if they can't stop legalization of marijuana nationally. But their primary game plan now is to shut it down.


Bud, the whole point is to create a regulatory regime. With businesses working with the Mexican government to produce legal marijuana, what you will see is a slow but steady process towards normalizing the industry. Cartels will shift to other products, and it will decrease their power to the extent that their power derives from marijuana (and here I'm guessing that marijuana is actually a small percentage of their profits). And, yes, Big Pharma will get involved, just like they are getting involved in legal marijuana production in the US, for use in medicine like Marinol, Epidiolex, and the like. Why? Because the Mexican regulatory regime will be fundamentally less strict, they'll be able to do testing without the feds annoying the shit out of them, their research can be subsidized by legal sales, etc.

You'll still see Mexican weed coming over the borders, but it won't be coming from cartels, it will be coming from those who are making good money selling to Big Pharma and to Mexican citizens, as well as those states in the US who have legalized it (about thirty or so, some recreational, some medicinal, some both). In other words, a notable ethical improvement in the industry, which will lead to further gains down the road, as weed is legalized across North America (likely within the next decade or two). The little violence associated with marijuana will decrease as there will be a regulatory regime that makes it more profitable to settle things civilly, and producers will no longer have to worry about government raids, etc. The black market for weed will keep on ticking on, but that market will no longer be controlled by cartels - it will be controlled by regular businessmen who don't give a shit that the product they sold legally was then illegally sent elsewhere, ala the US gun manufacturers.

If you weren't aware, legalization in the States has already cut cartel profitability by 2/3rds. Legalization in Mexico would almost certainly finish off their interest in that particular industry.

I'm actually surprised that you are involved in a business-related field, because you seem to have a truly terrible grasp of what drives businesses, the impact that competition has on markets, the process by which black markets are made grey and then normalized, etc. Basically you don't have any goddamn idea what you are talking about, and simply want to toot your own horn. It's kind of sad considering where you are posting. It's like that dude who lives in a wooden shack bragging to his toothless friends about the new sofa he got from WalMart.
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Re: Libertarianism, Mexico’s New Burgeoining Political Movem

Postby Medius » Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:04 pm

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The Comrade wrote:i'm sure the cartels would love less government


Less government overall does not mean less government where it matters.



well i've yet to see a libertarian tell me where government matters outside of some vague "national defense" mantra so i think it'll just mean less government.


I'd say a strong defense of the citizenry against the cartels could go a long ways towards making life better in Mexico.

Libertarians also tend to believe in the use of government to protect the rights of the citizens which would also be a great change.
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Re: Libertarianism, Mexico’s New Burgeoining Political Movem

Postby The Comrade » Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:33 pm

except that the federales already do that and that protecting the rights of citizens often means inhibiting the rights of someone else to exploit the system. this is why libertarianism is a joke. the capitalist class and the regular citizenry are inherently different and operate under different rules. you cannot protect one without harming the other.
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Re: Libertarianism, Mexico’s New Burgeoining Political Movem

Postby Dylan » Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:36 pm

exploited wrote:
Dylan wrote:
Philly wrote:
Dylan wrote:Pharmaceutical companies are some of the biggest advocates of keeping marijuana illegal.

The idea that pharma companies are going to roll into Mexico and enter a small scale war for the right to grow marijuana that can't be legally exported anywhere is laughable. It's so laughable only exploited could have come up with it.

Why do they need to go to Mexico though? There's plenty of suitable places to produce it elsewhere. And it inevitably will be legal or at least decriminalized eventually, so they should get in on it while the getting's good.

No need to go to Mexico. It was just LNRW's and Ex's little theory that legalizing weed in Mexico is going to have BIG RESULTS for Mexico. Ex thinks it would bring in pharma companies who just CAN'T WAIT to get their hands on the lucrative weed industry within Mexico and would be totally willing to enter a war to tap that market.

I'm sure various companies have backup plans for if they can't stop legalization of marijuana nationally. But their primary game plan now is to shut it down.


Bud, the whole point is to create a regulatory regime. With businesses working with the Mexican government to produce legal marijuana, what you will see is a slow but steady process towards normalizing the industry. Cartels will shift to other products, and it will decrease their power to the extent that their power derives from marijuana (and here I'm guessing that marijuana is actually a small percentage of their profits). And, yes, Big Pharma will get involved, just like they are getting involved in legal marijuana production in the US, for use in medicine like Marinol, Epidiolex, and the like. Why? Because the Mexican regulatory regime will be fundamentally less strict, they'll be able to do testing without the feds annoying the shit out of them, their research can be subsidized by legal sales, etc.

You'll still see Mexican weed coming over the borders, but it won't be coming from cartels, it will be coming from those who are making good money selling to Big Pharma and to Mexican citizens, as well as those states in the US who have legalized it (about thirty or so, some recreational, some medicinal, some both). In other words, a notable ethical improvement in the industry, which will lead to further gains down the road, as weed is legalized across North America (likely within the next decade or two). The little violence associated with marijuana will decrease as there will be a regulatory regime that makes it more profitable to settle things civilly, and producers will no longer have to worry about government raids, etc. The black market for weed will keep on ticking on, but that market will no longer be controlled by cartels - it will be controlled by regular businessmen who don't give a shit that the product they sold legally was then illegally sent elsewhere, ala the US gun manufacturers.

If you weren't aware, legalization in the States has already cut cartel profitability by 2/3rds. Legalization in Mexico would almost certainly finish off their interest in that particular industry.
I don't inherently disagree with any of this, but the fact remains that legalization of marijuana in Mexico will do nothing to stamp out cartel violence. I also don't see why pharmaceutical companies would change their stance on the legalization of marijuana anytime in the near future. Pharmaceutical drugs are a cash cow and receive special IP protections that facilitate this profitability; protections which are not applicable to marijuana.

But I am glad to see that you've backed off from your original opinion, which was as follows:
What makes you say that? I think that if Mexico were to legalize marijuana, it would result in two things: a massive new source of tax revenue, and the invasion of Big Pharma, which would utterly destroy the cartels with no qualms whatsoever.


I consider one of my primary life goals to educate, and I'm glad to see that you are a relatively quick learner. :-*

I'm actually surprised that you are involved in a business-related field, because you seem to have a truly terrible grasp of what drives businesses, the impact that competition has on markets, the process by which black markets are made grey and then normalized, etc. Basically you don't have any goddamn idea what you are talking about, and simply want to toot your own horn. It's kind of sad considering where you are posting. It's like that dude who lives in a wooden shack bragging to his toothless friends about the new sofa he got from WalMart.
LOL probably true. I am a total idiot and I have no idea what I'm doing. So what does that say about you given our relative stations in life, bud?
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Re: Libertarianism, Mexico’s New Burgeoining Political Movem

Postby The Comrade » Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:08 pm

i bet dylan eats his own nut because he thinks it's too good for a tissue.
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Re: Libertarianism, Mexico’s New Burgeoining Political Movem

Postby Dylan » Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:12 pm

The Comrade wrote:i bet dylan eats his own nut because he thinks it's too good for a tissue.

I would never partake in such activities. Ew.
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Re: Libertarianism, Mexico’s New Burgeoining Political Movem

Postby The Comrade » Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:13 pm

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Re: Libertarianism, Mexico’s New Burgeoining Political Movem

Postby Dylan » Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:27 pm

The Comrade wrote:confirmed

stop imagining it
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Re: Libertarianism, Mexico’s New Burgeoining Political Movem

Postby The Comrade » Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:32 pm

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Re: Libertarianism, Mexico’s New Burgeoining Political Movem

Postby Dylan » Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:39 pm

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