What is the difference between ISIS and Hamas.

[eynon81]

[The Comrade]

kind of like how al qaeda tried to negotiate when we brought their numbers down to 3 digits and lower, right?

or how they negotiated when we crushed the militias in iraq which you've already admitted just went dormant and became ISIS.

[eynon81]

[The Comrade]

[eynon81]

[The Comrade]

then your convictions aren't very strong.

as i suspected.

[eynon81]

[uebermann]

[The Comrade]

[Lobster]

Hahahaha the average muslim is liberal and just loves the west. They practically worship the ground westerners walk on, idolizing them constantly.
The extremists and "psychos"? They only exist because of western intervention. Lybia and Egypt following the Arab Spring? The only reason they turned to religious tribalism is because of not enough western intervention. After all,
the liberal muslims that loves the west "don't even really understand what democracy is", and think "freedom of speech" has to be imposed by "force". So liberal.
Of course the extreme conservatism of the vast majority of the populations and the psycho religious extremists couldn't possibly be in any way motivated by Islam, by the salafists and wahhabists, by the constant and everpresent shifting of blame to the "west" and their zionist masters, by the well-entrenched tradition of belligerent self-pity. No, muslims bear no responsability whatsoever.

Western converts are pedestalized and idolized, I agree. It's not because they're "western". It's because they're western muslims. Go ahead and discuss secularism as a "westerner", see how far the imaginary worship of liberalism and the west gets you. How do you feel about secularism? How do you feel about atheists? How do you feel about apostates? How do you feel about the freedom of speech to criticize the sanctified and sacred concepts of various religions? Are your positions on these things "liberal"?